Wednesday, 16 February 2011

Response to Experts Exchange blog post.

This is in response to this blog post made at Experts Exchange.

Whilst I agree on a few of the points you have made, as a user and a promoter of various Stack Exchange websites, I feel like I have to speak out on a few of the incorrect statements you have made, especially reading the negative tone they were made in.

I am an internet user since the early days, and, I honestly liked you! As an IT Pro, when there were certain problems, you usually came up first - with a good answer (I agree, search is good), and you saved my a$$ a few times.

But, in this modern world of questions and answers, YOU SUCK worse than Yahoo answers! I am sorry, I just had to say it.

For years, if I had a problem and you were the first result on Google, I always without hesitation skipped over you as you hid the useful answer. Like many people now, I know the stupid trick of just scrolling to the bottom to view the answers, but why should I have to! In the years that you forcefully hid your answers, I learnt to live without you.

For the past year or so, Stack Overflow and the original trilogy of sites (Super User and Server Fault) are coming higher in Google, regularly hitting the number one spot, and unlike you, I can quickly read the answer, search and navigate the site without having to log in... more of that a bit later.

Now, for my response to your Q & A that almost wasn't.

Q: What makes Experts Exchange different from other Q&A sites on the Internet?

A. Most of our nearly 3 million solutions revolve around specific technology questions, and the majority of those have a sense of urgency to them, People don't like to ask questions; we're searchers by nature. So when a user arrives at the point where they have to ask, they want to know they can trust the solution.

One of the big things that makes Experts Exchange unique is a patented system that requires askers to select their best answer. Most Q&A sites (StackExchange included) let the community vote for the best answer, when really the person whose opinion matters most is the one who asked the question.

I had a question that I asked earlier tonight, I got a response in TWO minutes, and it has been up voted by the community 5 times. I see this as a sign of trust in what was written and will shortly be accepting the answer.

Stack Exchange question askers are the only people who can accept an answer, the community can vote on both questions and answers to show the quality of the content. Your website automatically accepts answers of a certain age whether correct or wrong.

I would hate to be someone who goes through the annoying process of signing up in order to view an answer, only to discover it is incorrect.


You proudly state that you have nearly 3,000,000 questions in the 15 years you have been going. Stack Overflow has 1,315,643 in under 3 years.


There is more that I can say, but this whole post started because I just wanted to make two little comments on your blog, following what you wrote:

So what about you, EE lovers (and haters)? What else do you want to know about EE?

I thought, ok, I will register... However, I couldn't because I need to give a bloody credit card number just to leave a comment on your blog! ... and once I started writing, I couldn't stop myself.





I do not care in the slightest about "gamification" which I can't tell if you are for or against. you seem to bitch about the Stack Exchange community voting, whilst stating how good this system is and the fact you do it. Stack Exchange has just taken it a step further and made it a core part of the site.

I am a happy Stack Exchange user. To date, I have answered a few thousand questions and I hope to answer many thousand more. I do not have a lot of spare time and have been contributing less in recent months, however the reason I freely give away my knowledge is the enjoyment I get knowing that I am helping someone with a genuine problem, who without me, may not get a solution. I would hate thinking that I am only helping someone simply because they have money.

I realise I am being hypocritical here as I own a IT consulting company, and to be honest, I don't have an answer to this (Maybe I should start a question!), but compared to Experts Exchange (and a few other question and answer sites I have visited), Stack Exchange just feels right.

217 comments:

  1. You show them Wil!

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  2. Nice post Wil! I agree with the points you've made here. Experts Exchange has always seemed rather sleazy to me. Stack Exchange is a pleasure to use, both from a UI perspective and in the personal gratification from helping people. Experts Exchange offers neither.

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  3. My original post quoted yours and responded, but it was too long for your system. My bad.

    So I'll just hit the high points.

    Errors of fact:
    1. EE has always had a free registration at https://secure.experts-exchange.com/registerExpert.jsp . That people choose to not use it isn't EE's fault.
    2. EE's record, the last I saw, was seven SECONDS. I've seen at least a dozen under 20 seconds. Sometimes you get lucky.
    3. EE does not close questions. The members recommend, and if no one objects, the system does it. Most of the time, the recommendation is to delete.
    4. Experts can and do object to the recommendations, and can make their case. Sometimes they win, sometimes they dont. But EE doesn't do it automatically.

    Differences of opinion:
    1. You think voting improves quality; I think it's a mutual admiration society.
    2. You think voting helps you get the right answer; I think it's arrogant and rude that someone else tells you what works best for you.
    3. You think "everything should be free"; I think you charge for your services, and EE has every right to charge for its.

    EE provides systems, bandwidth, programming staff and rewards. It does so out of its own earned revenue -- no robbing Peter to pay Paul, no deals with the devil to keep something free, because eventually the devil will want his due. No hyping itself to anyone who writes a blog or talks at a conference; EE is HONEST -- not underpants gnomes, and not fraud.

    EE is successful because it only promises what it can provide, and keeps that promise. Reasonable answers, reasonably quickly, and reasonably inexpensively. It keeps that promise only because people answer questions and have for 15 years -- and when you have one on Exchange and can't get it solved at SO, we'll still be happy to help.

    15 years? Half again as long as Google. Twice as long as Facebook. It's even reasonable that SO ranks higher in some ways that EE does; all of SO's content is new to SO. EE has had a lot of it for years. Google likes newer content -- but that doesn't make it better.

    EE is successful -- and the fanboys hate that. Get over it. When the $5 million in VC money runs out, then SO will have to get money from someone -- which means ads or a paywall. That doesn't mean SO is a bad site, or has bad members, or has lousy answers. But neither is, has or has EE.

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  4. I agree with Wil - I love how I don't need a credit card to be a member of the Stack Exchange. The community is awesome and I love my rep! Best of all, I can help people and it doesn't cost a thing! Go Stack Exchange!

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  5. @Brutus Lyon - I think your terrified of Stack Overflow

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  6. Brutus Lyon,

    >> EE has always had a free registration at https://secure.experts-exchange.com/registerExpert.jsp . That people choose to not use it isn't EE's fault.

    Your fault is hiding the link from users and sending them to https://secure.experts-exchange.com/register.jsp?rsid=60&... when clicking on the sign-up page. This kind of behavior is extremely offensive and hostile especially considering the fact that your users are from a demographic who can easily see through your BS.

    >> EE's record, the last I saw, was seven SECONDS. I've seen at least a dozen under 20 seconds. Sometimes you get lucky.

    With StackOverflow, I always get lucky. With EE, I have to get lucky.

    >> You think voting helps you get the right answer; I think it's arrogant and rude that someone else tells you what works best for you.

    WHAT? You ask a question because you want help and don't know what works for you. How is answering that question arrogant and rude? (Voting is also an special type of answering mechanism.

    Sometimes the most voted answer may not solve your problem, but tell you that what you are trying to do is wrong. I think the votes let you know which of the solutions to consider before trying out any of the solutions.

    >> You think "everything should be free"; I think you charge for your services, and EE has every right to charge for its.

    Except that you charge for the content that users created not knowing in advance that you guys will make it a closed system later.

    >> EE is successful because it only promises what it can provide, and keeps that promise.

    EE was successful. You will go down soon if you continue with your attitude: http://i.imgur.com/Vm1on.png

    And what promise do you keep? I didn't know that showing different content to Google and to visitors is your way of keeping promises.

    >> When the $5 million in VC money runs out, then SO will have to get money from someone -- which means ads or a paywall.

    All of SO content is in CC license. If they go rogue, the community will just create a new website with the content.

    Basically all these boil down to what kind of people run the site. I am sorry that the people behind EE cannot see the future.

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  7. The reality is - SO is just better - and moaning about it doesn't help EE one bit. They must change with the times, or be completely left behind. Which, as the fact that they weren't even approached for an interview indicates, has already happened.

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  8. @Brutus Sure. However you would like to rephrase it, EE is nothing but spam.

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  9. @Brutus Lyon.

    1. That is the first time I have ever seen that Expert sign up page, and the fact that there is no reference to it, or easy way to find it does not really support your point. When I clicked sign up to the blog in order to post a comment, I was asked for payment information.

    2. Seven seconds for a response? I bet that that was brilliant quality - What, 2 seconds to read, 5 seconds to type?

    3. Still think this goes against what was originally said about accepting answers.

    4. Oh, you mean the question askers do not always get to pick the answer... Going again against what was said.

    Second lot...

    1. Voting does not improve quality, it has the ability to show quality of an already existing answer. Pro users get down voted all the time.

    2. The whole point of asking a question is because you do not understand a topic. Having people who do understand vote (typically because what they were going to write has already been written) limits duplicates and allows you to spot a good quality answer. There have been many many times when the top voted answer has not been accepted.

    3. I don't at all think everything should be free, please read the last paragraph, and I understand I am being a hypocrite here. All I can say is that the landscape is changing and why should people have to pay to EE, when they can get it free elsewhere.

    ... The last few paragraphs of what you wrote.... SE has a few revenue generating techniques and already has adverts in a way that does not annoy the user. In fact, I have learnt about some new brilliant products through their targeted adverts (and am using one in a project right now). I will take this any day.

    and one thing... EE *Was* successful, you have been stagnating for ages now. Take a look at any website that compares statistics. (Thanks to niyazpk from ycombinator - http://i.imgur.com/Vm1on.png

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  10. "Free registration" that requires a credit card number? Just wow. Most sites that have "free registration" or trial periods don't require access to my MONEY.

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  11. @Brutus You said,

    "EE has always had a free registration at https://secure.experts-exchange.com/registerExpert.jsp . That people choose to not use it isn't EE's fault."

    This is a joke, right? I cannot find on your homepage anywhere that I can access this URL. I see a link "Start FREE Trial", and that asks me for my credit card details and what plan I want to choose.

    On a question, I have to choose the "Become an Expert" link in order to access this page - what average user (i.e., question asker) is going to a) look for such a link and b) is going to think that link is relevant to them. They're asking the experts, after all, not wanting to become an expert! The page at that URL is clearly aimed at people intending to answer questions rather than ask them. This is the very definition of it absolutely being Experts Exchange's fault.

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  12. Brutus Lyon raises a good point - there is no money in offering everything for free, and servers don't pay for themselves

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  13. I always ignore results from expert exchange...
    annoying thing..

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  14. I would rather watch "Congratulations You Won " ad on SO and get the answer than register in EE

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  15. EE mostly sucks but +1 to Brutus for a gutsy, well-written response

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  16. It all started with StackOverflow fighting up to Experts Exchange. Now Experts Exchange is fighting up to Stackoverflow. Oh how the times change.

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  17. "When the $5 million in VC money runs out, then SO will have to get money from someone -- which means ads or a paywall. That doesn't mean SO is a bad site, or has bad members, or has lousy answers."

    True point. It's easy for SO to point fingers around at the moment at questionable business models.

    Mind you, EE shouldn't be surprised when people complain at it sucking when arriving there from a search engine results page. It is painful to deal with at that point.

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  18. ExpertsExchange is the Q&A equivalent of AOL. You hoodwink people who don't know any better into paying for something they clearly do not need.

    Ask yourself why a site built around creating a knowledge base would have a stipulation it its TOU forbidding users from "Posting links in open questions or in personal profiles that lead to a competitor's site."

    Google for "Experts Exchange scam" and read how the tech community views your "business model."

    I would use the Sun Java forums before EE and if you know anything about the Sun Java forums you'll know that's saying a lot.

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  19. StackOverflow and Experts Exchange are BOTH GREAT PLACES OF REFERENCE. The only issue everyone has about EE is that it is a pay site. But when you search for information on less frequently used languages, EE ends up having an answer well before SO.

    Stop complaining and concede that there will never be a 100% accepted view on anything. If you need evidence on that, how many toes does Yoda have?

    I would much rather use SO because it is easier to search, but when I am searching for an answer to some obscure question, guess who comes up with an answer more often then not (give you a hint, it is not SO)

    Until the two have the same question and answers, I will have to struggle with the fact that I will have to continue to use both, and maybe you should too. Bashing either site won't make it go away. And can all of the SO fanboys honestly say you have never used EE or vice versa? If so, then how do you know which is better?

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  20. ExpertSexchange is excellent if you are looking for information about classic ASP or any language that is currently outdated. For all other needs, SO rocks.

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  21. EE used to bother me. But now Google has added a new Chrome plug-in to let me block obnoxious sites from my results -- so I'll never even see them again.

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  22. EE was the first website I learned to automatically skip in google results. I'll be happy to see them out of the search results.

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  23. [quote] 16 February 2011 12:20
    Anonymous said...

    I always ignore results from expert exchange...
    annoying thing..
    [/quote]

    me too

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  24. SO is what EE should have been.

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  25. You have to ask yourself why so many developers are starting to block results from EE with the new Chrome plug-in. I strongly suggest any readers to block the crap that comes from there, lol: http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=2224305

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  26. Just got an anonymous email - no idea if anyone can verify the truth behind it...

    http://i.imgur.com/BDuMM.png

    "here is no such person as Brutus Lyon, it is Jenn Prentice from
    Experts Exchange. She always does shit like this under aliases."

    I assumed Brutus was working or staff from EE, I don't see why a fake name is needed or the reason behind it / how it changes anything.

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  27. Reposting here since I do not think people will bother to sign up to read at EE...

    I am quite active on both sites. More than 9K answers accepted at EE since 1998 and an SO flair of 2.5K since last year.
    Disclaimer: I almost only answer JS related questions and almost only need browser quirk questions answered.

    SO from the visitors point of view works well when you need answer to something that has already been asked - being expert at EE I can click on EE solutions too.
    SO's users and posters seems younger, geekier and know how to find answers on the net.
    EE's users, in the zone I am frequenting seem less geeky, need more handholding and to be honest, a third of their questions would have been hammered at SO as "Not a question", ridiculed for grammar and syntax, voted down for not providing clear and concise questions according to Strunk and White and told to read How To Ask Questions The Smart Way. So be it. At EE, you get hand holding when needed, zone changes and additions when needed (SO has tags), moderators that rezone and call for experts when a question is abandoned or someone clicks the "Request attention"
    SO has a "bounty" feature. I have so far not been impressed with that - lost bounties on answers that was voted up by the community (or the answerer's alias) but not answering my questions.

    So what to do about the EE haters? I have told EE on many occasions that the paywall is obnoxious and the expert sign up too obscure. Daniweb's popup actually worked better for me, 3 times annoyed, then I signed up and never saw it again. Same as EE's adverts and wall - I have to sign out to see them.

    EE works really well for corporate users and users who regularly have technical problems that need more than a oneliner or is solved with a "Use jQuery" or "Upgrade your ancient browser"

    SO works really well for young geeks doing HTML5 and jQuery (again I do not use other areas much)

    For me, if I have a PHP question I ask at EE, if I have a jQuery one, I ask at SO

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  28. EE is so crappy that clicking on your link to their blog post on my phone opens a generic mobile landing page instead of a mobile version of the blog post

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  29. I agree with this statement: "Brutus Lyon raises a good point - there is no money in offering everything for free, and servers don't pay for themselves "

    Opinions can be argued until death, but the facts are that both sites have their benefits and draw backs. Does anyone know how problems are handled on SO? Cuz EE has a staff that are on-hand to help customers when they can't get find what they're looking for. Does SO? I ask because I've never used them before and honestly don't know.

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  30. PS: I am active as mplungjan at EE and SO. It is my real name.
    Typical example from a few minutes ago at EE

    Subject: can iframe be selected from parent window url?
    Question: Is there any way for a single url to select both a parent page and the src value (url) of a page to appear within iframe tags in the parent page?

    Asked at 6:35pm, answered at 6:41pm (with code the asker understood), tested and accepted with a "It works perfectly. Thanks for the great answer" at 7:23pm

    That COULD have happened at SO too, but first someone would comment that there was no code, then a post with "Never use iFrames", then someone would post a jQuery version, likely including a frame handling plugin, voted to the top, someone posting an IE only solution, voted down, someone deleting the post as "not a question", someone resurrecting it by editing the title, someone deleting it with a "duplicate question" So SO is not infallible and EE can be very useful and friendly place

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  31. Keerthi Ramalingam16 February 2011 at 18:47

    its been quite some months since I saw EE pop up in google results. SE replaced that. Some day i ll put my SE karma link in my resume.. thats the way to go...

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  32. @mplungjan - Why not post a question to test it out?

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  33. @mplungjan

    You don't seem to understand most of what goes on in a Question workflow on SO.

    Your examples are part of what helps SO stand out from the crowd: duplication avoided; answers take into account the context of the question; partial or ineffective solutions buried; etc.

    It sounds like you take the feedback of downvoting, editing or closing on SO a little too personally.

    SO is not a "How do I do X? Don't respond unless you have code sample" question site.

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  34. I was really sad when Google took away the feature to make certain website disappear forever from your personalized search results. I used it to filter out anything from EE as I find the website annoying and the answers usually somewhat poor. Even when the answer on EE is technically correct, it's often explained poorly or clumsily, or not at all. At least, that's the feeling I got from landing on a few dozen different question pages. The problem with walled communities is that they become very incestuous -- EE users learning mostly from other EE users and therefore not getting much new information that's floating around freely outside. Which might explain one of the Anon's observations above that EE is really only good for ASP and other older technologies.

    I'm not signed up on Stack Overflow, but I surf over there every once in awhile and it really seems to be more of an integrated part of a wider development community that 'hangs out' on a number of different sites (including proggit, hackernews, and individual dev sites/blogs). You can often recognize usernames from other sites, and information is shared freely.

    Maybe an open model makes it harder to profit, but IMHO if your business is running a community information site, you should probably be pretty focused on the information and community sides of things. :))

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  35. @WilHil - post a question at SO? I have, 14 so far. 2 with bounties that did not give me what I needed. Granted my questions are very specific...

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  36. @SugerMan I DO get it. Just sometimes do not like it. SO can be really elitist and rude instead of just helping someone who needs help, who's English may not be his mother tongue and who may not be a developer full time, but some intern that got something dropped in his lap. Example of a question that had 3 comments about the poorness of the question - where I just tried to help the asker: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4943157/javascript-confirm-box-redirect-to-dynamic-url/4943366

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  37. Did my post get deleted?

    @Sugerman: stackoverflow.com/questions/4943157/javascript-confirm-box-redirect-to-dynamic-url/4943366

    2 comments about poor question, I just answered it without commenting...

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  38. @mplungjan - There is no censorship, you are sending so many bloody comments, it automatically flagged you as spam.

    I don't see anything wrong at all with that question. It is not at all clear what the person is trying to do. Other people ask. Congratulations you figured it out.... I just don't see what the problem is.

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  39. I was in on EE wayyyyyyyy back in the day. Back when it was entirely free. My account as an Expert lasted up until just a few months ago. Apparently they instituted something about you having to visit and answer so many questions within a certain timeframe or they just cancel your account.

    Figured... I hadn't needed an answer in quite some time but the one moment I was desperate enough to wade through the site I was locked out. I didn't know SO existed before just now so I will check into that.

    :)

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  40. I post on SO, and never spent any time on EE - but there's truth to mplungjan's points, I think.

    It's a useful site, and I like buffing up my writing speed by answering the occasional question, but it has a touch of the 18-25yo internet echo chamber circlejerk about it. People are regularly second-guessed, hassled about what they REALLY want to do, shouted at for being incoherent or mismarkup'ing their question, etc., etc. - I mean, seriously, it would usually be quicker just to answer the poor person, but the responder usually insists on pissing in their breakfast.

    Personally, I'm used to that, since I spent a lot of time reading usenet when I was younger. If people are determined to be annoying, it's easy to ignore, and every once in a while it is amusing.

    But I seem to be relatively rare in that respect! Certainly, the bulk of people I used to work with wouldn't touch sites like that with a bargepole, and likewise mailing lists, and indeed would probably consider it a black mark that you actually used them at all - because they'd assume you were a wanker.

    You can criticise such people for holding this opinion, if you feel they perhaps aren't holding it for any good reason... yet ;)

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  41. Expert Sex change.

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  42. @WilHil that example was just ONE of many, and not even that harsh on the poor asker. As I said, I like both EE and SO. I believe they both have an audience that overlap. Techie EE haters will now just go away with this chrome plugin and peace on earth and good will to Will ;)
    PS: Spam? Me? Never. Fix your blog software ;)))

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  43. William,

    Sorry that's the first time you've seen that link. I saw it the first time I went to EE -- because I didn't want to pay. Then again, I'm the type that reads Terms of Use too.

    You're the one who said you got answers fast. I just pointed out you can get them fast at EE too. If you ask a javascript question that mplungan thinks is worth his time, then he's going to give you a good answer pretty quickly. If he thinks it's crap, he won't.

    My comment about how EE closes questions is not really any different from what you said about SO -- except that it's honest. If -- and only if -- the ASKER doesn't close the question, then the community (not EE) closes the question, and that doesn't stop the ASKER from doing it himself.

    There's no question that a lot of the stuff you can find at EE you can find elsewhere at no charge. You can find a lot of the stuff behind the NYTimes or WSJ paywall for free, too. What you get at EE isn't the content -- it's the service. If it works -- which, based on results it does, then the content doesn't matter.

    And THAT'S the point. It's a business model built on providing a service, not on providing unique content (like the NYTimes or WSJ). Otherwise... if you think SO is going to pay its bills based on advertising, guess again. They can't pay their bandwidth bill based on their ad revenue, and they know it -- because page views DON'T pay the rent either.

    Oh... and I'm not Jenn Prentice; I'm also not Jeff Atwood. I'm taller, she's better looking and much nicer. She works for EE; I don't. I just pay attention and have been around a lot longer.

    I really don't care if people like SO more than they do EE; they have that right. What I care about is that if you're going to rag on EE, then do so for legitimate reasons and not the uninformed rants of people who have never even visited the site, let alone used it, and who have no clue about its traffic other than a few Alexa charts.

    BL

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  44. Aside from all the other complaints people have carefully laid out, Experts Exchange web site looks like something that leaked out of a homeless guy's ass.... in 2002.

    Well at least it did look like that until I used the new Google Chrome plugin to obliterate its existence from my life.

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  45. Brutus: I am not alone at EE's JS zone, luckily. Currently I should be happy getting a foot in edgewise due to several other experts that pounce on each question. Which is why in some zones you get a good answer in minutes there too. I also like that there are no ads and as expert I can get a much cleaner interface than the one Josh saw before he became an EE ignorer rather than hater.

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  46. mplungjan,

    Y'know... I don't mind people who hate something they've used. I think you're aware of some of them -- some of the people who used to participate at EE when it got 150 questions a day, and everyone knew everyone. I grew up in small towns, and I understand that there's a natural tendency to like the "good old days" -- even if they weren't always all that good.

    What I DO mind is the people who have knee-jerk reactions because someone else does something right -- the ones who day "I hate EE" and when you ask why, the only thing they can say is something that they obviously heard from someone else who had never used EE either.

    They're the same people who think that Neil Armstrong walked on a sound stage in Hollywood.

    BL

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  47. William,

    My apologies for the intrusion here. I am one of EE's volunteer administrators, and was alerted to this post by both an EE staff member AND by mplungjan, who, by the grace of EE's good offices, I've had the pleasure of meeting.

    mplungjan / Brutus,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    Brad,

    If you're having issues with finding your way around EE, feel free to write to me. Yes, EE did convert all of the older accounts into one type, but they've also been pretty good about giving people a break if and when they come back. I'll be happy to show you where all the new bathrooms are.

    William,

    Again, my apologies for the hijacking here.

    Netminder
    Senior Administrator
    Experts Exchange

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  48. @Brutus - The haters hate one thing and one thing only - searching for some technical issue, finding something really promising in google, clicking and getting 3 screen fulls of paywall, or worse - as I have seen in screenshots on twitter - an overlay with "Sign up to see the answer" and no other way to see the answer.

    I do not personally agree that EE should be hit with "All information should be free since it is free elsewhere" - I do not even want to go into the discussion, since I know the level of service you get at EE as an expert that answers 3 questions a month or as a paying member. This also removes all adverts from the interface.
    I just asked a question at SO where a suggestion was to run Firefox in safe mode and suddenly SO was SHOUTING IN MY FACE WITH GREAT BIG WONKING ADVERTS!!!!! Much worse than anything leaking out of anyone's orifices to coin a phrase from a previous poster here...

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  49. "I am an internet user since the early days..."

    It says you are 24 on your superuser profile, so you could not have been.

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  50. How to view experts exchange (www.experts-exchange.com) answers?

    http://www.reusablelinks.com/general/how-to-view-experts-exchange-www-experts-exchange-com-answers

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  51. EE really makes me avoid him. I always skip this site. I don't understand what is he doing there , cause everybody skips it. What's his job there?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1B_RHw57C8

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  53. Really good stuff Thanxs for this beautiful information ...This is really true

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  54. Looks to me that this blog is read carefully by the EE staff and old members.

    Some points I missed in the above comments:

    1) The flaming in EE comments between the experts and/or questioners when experts think they have missed some (worthless) EE-points.
    Something you won't find at SO.

    2) The fact that of the 3Mil Q&A's there are at least 1Mil "garbage" ones.

    3) The many errors in stopping the EE payments you find when googling for EE

    4) The censoring by the staff of comments they don't like, especially those referring to another Q&A site

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